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Critique, art and your opinions

Journal Entry: Sun Jan 15, 2012, 10:47 AM
I've decided it's time that I start to actively take part on Conceptart.org if I want my art to get anywhere. I don't feel satisfied with where I am with my art right now and to be really really honest... I've fallen into the "dA popularity trap", for want of a better word. I hate it, that's why I changed my cast of characters in Albasia from wolves because there honestly was no other reason for them to all be wolves besides getting a bigger audience. By not using a popular species, I have to work harder on my comic to MAKE it appealing, you know what I mean? It's also why I tried to cut down on fanart, because most of my watchers only watch me for fanart which normally wouldn't be a bad thing, but when you decide to do your own original stuff, it can have a negative impact.

Also, I've started thinking about art in the completely wrong way and I've decided to post my work on Conceptart to get honest feedback, and a direction to go with my art.

I want... no, I NEED to study from life more. For the most part, I completely wing it and so there is always something... off about my work. I want to focus on painting more too instead of cartoony stuff. So, my goal is for the next 3 years (the duration of my animation course at Uni), I will focus on drawing things as they are, and not how I think they look, and I will learn to paint well and have a badassed portfolio :dummy:

Also, sometimes I feel like deviantART kinda limits people in a way because people here are terrified of giving critique because of those tetchy people who fly off on one. I'll say this now- don't be afraid of giving me critique. Without an outside opinion, you can often fall down with your own delusions of grandeur, and mountains and mountains of praise does nothing to help that. I feel that if I had spent the last 4 years of my life on Conceptart instead of deviantART, my art would have taken a total different direction, and possibly for the better.

What are your thoughts on critique and improvement? I'd love to hear them!

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:iconsaracidebunny:
~SaracideBunny Jan 15, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i was gonna say, but then you said it yourself, lifedrawing. i think that's the answer. practice trying to draw things exactly as they are from looking at them, and then when you go to draw things on your own from memory they will turn out better and better.

most things you will get critique about will be things that would improve anyway from doing life study drawings. For example: someone might say " your wolfs legs look a little off" and you can try to do a quick fix for that particular picture, but what would help even more is doing lots of life drawings of wolves so you get to the point that that kind of critique wont even show up anymore.

just my opinion.
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=Shirei-Shou Jan 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I will give critique if I can give it (mostly I give critique with my own language). My English is bad, so I cant express well what I want to talk in English. And for Ur art, I'm not specialist in Furry nor coloring comic. So I dont know what should I critique because I dont know what is wrong. Sorry
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:icondimensionsatire:
I similarly dislike to give artistic critique, but for me it's because I have no place to talk. It feels wrong for me to say "Do this better" or "Try it this way" when I can hardly make stick figures look good, but I always try to give my personal opinion the best way I can. I have oftentimes been blunt in an attempt to get a point across, and I like to think that when I do I generally see an artist improve. I did it with you, remember? A "What the hell are you doing?" and I think everything started getting better. My specialty though is stories and plot and problem solving in general, which I could talk about until the cows come home.

I promise to give my honest opinions on any future work while not being a douchebag bout it.
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=RabiesGirl Jan 15, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
oh wow... I always feel bad saying something bad about someone elses art. part of it is I never want to say it the wrong way and sound like a troll rather then someone who wants to see the other improve. and also. I can't take some critiques. sometimes I get overly upset or I just brush them off. so I try not to do that to others if I"M gonna say something about their art.

however. if you want SOME harsh words words of critiques and how your mistakes could be helped or even fixed I can try. BUT PLEASE REMEMBER! I don't WANT to say it. but I can grow a pair to help a fellow artist grow. anything I say about your art that is wrong or looks funny I will in turn give you tips or any kind of help I can to give you a chance to try and fix it ok?

before I continue. muzzles. you always seem to do them oddly. and I'm not sure why they look odd however I did find THIS [link] a long time ago. and I'm not sure if you ever seen it but I think this may help. plus it explains why things should be this way or that way so I'm sure it will help!!!

that artist has many other tutorials about wolves and cats. so I hope you grow from my help ;_; I know I'm not as good as you are with many things but I also know I need alot of work as well. and the first part of getting better is to take a step back and look at ones own art. however I never really got passed that step I know you can. (more because your drive to do things is probably better then mine) Good luck!
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:icongashu-monsata:
`Gashu-Monsata Jan 15, 2012  Student Digital Artist
It's natural to feel slightly defensive when someone critiques you because of course, you've spent so long on a piece and people come along saying "well, it could be better", however I think we just have to get over that initial defensiveness and see the critique for what it really is- helpful advice that's intended to improve your art. Sometimes you see your art for so long that you become oblivious to its flaws so an outside view is always great; a fresh pair of eyes.

If someone is trolling then I think it's more obvious- sometimes though, you just have to use your intuition to see if what they say was just meant to be assholeish, or they genuinely want to help but aren't very good with the wording.

Hah, oh geez my muzzle problem. I don't know what it is, I really don't. I think it's mainly because I have an untrained eye for perspective. Lion muzzles I have no problem with because they're flat but wolves and animals with long muzzles are really hard to keep in perspective. Thanks for that link! :D I think my main problem with that is, I don't use photo ref enough and our minds can't imagine everything in detail- in my case, I miss out perspective ahaha xD
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=RabiesGirl Jan 15, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
all true <:) well I hope that link helps though! also if you dont already (i dont recall if I ever seen your beginning a drawing) doing that whole. basic shapes to fill up the body helps SO MUCH! I used to hate doing that because it gets so messy but I ended up doing it alot and now I dont ALWAYS need it. though it helps for faces of course and the direction the parts of the body face.
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:icongashu-monsata:
`Gashu-Monsata Jan 15, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Oh lordy, my initial sketches are a total mess :P Yeah, I do the whole building up the basic forms and such. I'm going to upload some things from my life drawing class now, which is like... totally different from what I normally do xD
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=RabiesGirl Jan 15, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
god I can't draw real life things to save MY life... its more because nothing has outlines...and I have trouble drawing using black and white and all shades of gray, no outlines allowedXD I envy people who can but I plan on playing with colors and such now that I have a tablet.
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:icongashu-monsata:
`Gashu-Monsata Jan 15, 2012  Student Digital Artist
O yeah, I still have trouble with that xD I think with painting, it's more building up with tonal values instead of lines... it's hard. I kinda cheat right now by doing a regular cell shaded picture then shading over the top, but I want to stop doing that, it's bad :P
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