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A little more indepth about Scar and Zira

Journal Entry: Fri Dec 2, 2011, 11:35 AM
LONG JOURNAL AHOY. Just my thoughts :P

Okay, so whilst I was on the train today, I had time to think about this whole Scar and Zira thing a little more :P How sad am I haha.

Anyways... right, my theory is now this, which kinda makes sense, not really from the point of view of the film story, but from the point of view of Disney (and it's screwups lol).

Kovu was originally going to be Scar's son, which would make Zira Scar's wife and Nuka and Vitani Kovu's siblings. However, this caused complications obviously in that it would have made Kovu and Kiara related. Whilst this is common amongst real lions, the characters of the Lion King are personified, and so it would be kinda gross lol.

So, they changed Kovu to being an adopted son of Scar, but due to the tight budget (LK2 was created in the Australian studio, which was well known for direct-to-video sequels which are considerably lower budget than their blockbuster counterparts), they didn't really have the time to fix the relationships of the rest of the characters. You'll probably find they had some sort of deadline for the design/storyboarding/scriptwriting stage, and most likely didn't have the time to work out all these kinks.

And so, because of this, Zira should "technically" be Scar's wife, and Nuka and Vitani are still "techinally" Scar's children.

Yes, people assume Vitani is Nala's kid, yada yada, but this simply isn't true because Disney has a fantastic trend of designing characters according to their personalities. Vitani has blue eyes purely because of the fact that she is a good character... she needs a "trademark" good colour to somehow show that she is a good character, which subconsciously alerts us in the beginning. But since this small feature is overshadowed by her "evil" looks, we don't outwardly register it. It's just like the fact that Kovu is a dark lion, however he has a rounded chin which is a trait of good male lions. He also has a "shine" in his eyes, something Scar nor Nuka has (as Nuka remained loyal to Zira till the very end).

We also need to think of LK1 and LK2 as two completely unrelated films. For one, they were made by totally different people in totally different countries (despite the second film having roots in the main studios, but not alot), and two, when they made the first film, they hadn't planned for a sequel at all. When they made the Lion King books with Kopa, the people in the Australian studio who wrote the script had probably never even heard of those books which were created in the USA by some dude who had managed to get some subsidiary Disney publishing company (NOT the people who made the film) to grant him the rights to slap their name on the cover before they even thought about a sequel, and they thought that having a female protagonist would be a great change in LK2 (explaining why Kopa wasn't in the film, nothing to do with Zira killing him or whatever).
And so, because of this unrelatedness between films, we can dismiss the fact that Scar was shown to have had no relationships in the first movie, and that he tried to come onto Nala (which was a deleted scene, so the creators of LK2 probably didn't even count that).

So, I think it's safe to assume that Nuka and Vitani are most definitely Scar's children since they were never fixed to fit in with when they changed Kovu, and that Zira WAS Scar's wife. What we REALLY need to be wondering then is... who are Kovu's parents? :lol: Perhaps he was raised by Zira to believe she was his mother? Idk. At least we have the rest figured out :P

Yah, this is all down to Disney screwing up lol.

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:iconashwolf-forever:
Very interesting. Do you or any other animators take commissions?
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:icongashu-monsata:
`Gashu-Monsata Dec 12, 2011  Student Digital Artist
Well, I can take a commission depending on what it is since I have quite a few to complete right now :P What kind of thing are you looking for?
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:iconashwolf-forever:
Next year or so I am going to start work on a indie animated film. It features no humans, just wolves, coyotes, and prey. I am looking for people to animate some of the hunting scenes. Thank you for repling. :D
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:iconyondita:
~Yondita Dec 4, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I ate wall of texts...

But this one is GREAT!!!
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:iconpolarablues:
Still would like to see that deleted scene. Can't find it.
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:icongashu-monsata:
`Gashu-Monsata Dec 3, 2011  Student Digital Artist
Oh! Sorry haha, I'll go grab it :P
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:iconpolarablues:
LOL Thanks, they weren't kidding when they said it was creepy XD
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:iconoreos159753:
lol wow.... crazyness... xD
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:iconrabiesgirl:
=RabiesGirl Dec 2, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
EPICXD I love how you pick at this. and thats my my favorite movie is alice in wonderland because the only explanation is... they were high when making it :D also I used to watch it when my mom went to work at night and I would cry and cry then pass out. she could also tell if I was feeling depressed if I EVER turned it on. its like my sad movie. hell, when I watch it normally now I end up feeling sad because I put those two things together. but with lion king, I do very much enjoy these rantsXD cause looking back now your right with all this. and its fun to debate too so woot!
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:icongashu-monsata:
`Gashu-Monsata Dec 2, 2011  Student Digital Artist
Haha yeah, I bet the LK2 makers were high too :P Naaahh lol. I never used to think this much into it until I started my animation course at Uni, now I'm like... breaking the film apart :O It all kinda makes sense now though. There isn't supposed to be an explanation for things like this really, because it's an error on Disney's part that they will never fix. It's kinda like the whole "who is Nala's father" thing.
It can't be Mufasa because the characters in the Lion King are personified, and even though they are animals, they follow human customs, like the Alpha male only having one partner. It can't be Scar because he claims to have no heir to the throne in that cut out scene. But we aren't really supposed anyways to know since Disney didn't think it was important for us to know, so it could be anyone (bah, they suck haha).

IT'S A PARADOX.
Or something :lol:
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